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	<title>Comments on: Black Gold (And How You Might Make Money Off of Speculators&#8217; Stupidity)</title>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1071</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil is still priced in dollars, even by OPEC. Though OPEC has been saying they're thinking about switching to the euro for years now, there has been no change in policy. Should that ever happen (and I don't think it will any time in the next couple of years at least), you'll definitely hear about it. 

Thus, this is not a position on the euro. It's a position solely on oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil is still priced in dollars, even by OPEC. Though OPEC has been saying they&#8217;re thinking about switching to the euro for years now, there has been no change in policy. Should that ever happen (and I don&#8217;t think it will any time in the next couple of years at least), you&#8217;ll definitely hear about it. </p>
<p>Thus, this is not a position on the euro. It&#8217;s a position solely on oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Avi</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly - Gold is still priced in Dollars, Oil is now priced in Euro's.  This is just a long USD/EUR trade in commodity form.  Take your 30k and get 50x leverage in an FX account, then sell Euros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly - Gold is still priced in Dollars, Oil is now priced in Euro&#8217;s.  This is just a long USD/EUR trade in commodity form.  Take your 30k and get 50x leverage in an FX account, then sell Euros.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1067</guid>
		<description>No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1066</guid>
		<description>You have a fair point, Arbitrageur. Hence, I recommend that you should have $30,000. I assume most people reading this don't so I wouldn't have anything to worry about because they wouldn't be doing so. It's an academic excersize (hence the warning in the beginning). 

But, yes, you're right. Next time, I'll be more mindful of the potential audience as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a fair point, Arbitrageur. Hence, I recommend that you should have $30,000. I assume most people reading this don&#8217;t so I wouldn&#8217;t have anything to worry about because they wouldn&#8217;t be doing so. It&#8217;s an academic excersize (hence the warning in the beginning). </p>
<p>But, yes, you&#8217;re right. Next time, I&#8217;ll be more mindful of the potential audience as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbitrageur</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Arbitrageur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you advocating that retail investors with near-zero knowledge of the markets invest in actual commodity markets when there are several oil and gold commodity ETFs that allow them to make virtually any-size bet with the same results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you advocating that retail investors with near-zero knowledge of the markets invest in actual commodity markets when there are several oil and gold commodity ETFs that allow them to make virtually any-size bet with the same results?</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1064</guid>
		<description>Arguements have been made -- particularly by those in the Rockefeller family, which owns a chunk of ExxonMobil -- that alternative energy should be explored immediately (ExxonMobil's shareholders decided otherwise). Others, paritcularly those with ties to electric companies, also think we need to find alternatives. 

One of those alternatives is nuclear. If it is done safely -- and technology has made it more so than it was even 20 years ago -- it can be a relatively environmentally sound, cost-effective way to deal with our rising energy demands (thank you, flat screen tvs). There is large opposition to nuclear because of what happened in Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. However, about 80% of France's electricity needs are met with nuclear power and they've done so with no issues. New York currently is powered to a significant degree by Indian Point, just a few miles north of the Bronx. 

What has also been argued by some in the electric industry is that taxation should be implemented on gasoline should the price of oil decrease to encourage less reliance on it for cars and more reliance on electricity in its place. 

In the end, high prices of oil relative to the US dollar increases the viability of alternative energy and a decrease in use of gas. We're seeing it already in that miles driven by cars have gone down over the past several months and the SUV market is at a grinding halt. As people get used to using short-term alternatives (more efficient cars, more public transportation), it has some effect on their long-term habits as well, as witnessed by the increase in efficiency in cars in the late '70s and early '80s due to the oil shocks.

Ultimately, we have to have a serious discussion in this country and look at ALL alternatives. That should include nuclear, in my opinon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguements have been made &#8212; particularly by those in the Rockefeller family, which owns a chunk of ExxonMobil &#8212; that alternative energy should be explored immediately (ExxonMobil&#8217;s shareholders decided otherwise). Others, paritcularly those with ties to electric companies, also think we need to find alternatives. </p>
<p>One of those alternatives is nuclear. If it is done safely &#8212; and technology has made it more so than it was even 20 years ago &#8212; it can be a relatively environmentally sound, cost-effective way to deal with our rising energy demands (thank you, flat screen tvs). There is large opposition to nuclear because of what happened in Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. However, about 80% of France&#8217;s electricity needs are met with nuclear power and they&#8217;ve done so with no issues. New York currently is powered to a significant degree by Indian Point, just a few miles north of the Bronx. </p>
<p>What has also been argued by some in the electric industry is that taxation should be implemented on gasoline should the price of oil decrease to encourage less reliance on it for cars and more reliance on electricity in its place. </p>
<p>In the end, high prices of oil relative to the US dollar increases the viability of alternative energy and a decrease in use of gas. We&#8217;re seeing it already in that miles driven by cars have gone down over the past several months and the SUV market is at a grinding halt. As people get used to using short-term alternatives (more efficient cars, more public transportation), it has some effect on their long-term habits as well, as witnessed by the increase in efficiency in cars in the late &#8217;70s and early &#8217;80s due to the oil shocks.</p>
<p>Ultimately, we have to have a serious discussion in this country and look at ALL alternatives. That should include nuclear, in my opinon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anastacia</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Anastacia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1062</guid>
		<description>What do you think of the chance of people actually making nice with the planet and using an alternative energy source, thus greatly dropping the need for oil? Any chance of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think of the chance of people actually making nice with the planet and using an alternative energy source, thus greatly dropping the need for oil? Any chance of that?</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1061</guid>
		<description>Not at all. 

First off, you're making the assumption that the Chinese economy will sustain this growth four years out. It may not. I know of several manufacturers who are looking elsewhere because they find that China is starting to cost too much. 

But, besides that, the point I'm making is that the rise in prices for both gold and oil were due mostly to a devalued US dollar. There was no fundamental reason why the relative value of oil increased versus gold beginning just a few months ago. My take is that it's a short-lived speculative bubble. 

Also, someone on DB said that the supply of oil is flat and that running a gold mine is easy. The total amount of gold mined can fill up only four Olympic sized swimming pools whereas we haven't even begun to drill off the Eastern seaboard of the US, let alone elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all. </p>
<p>First off, you&#8217;re making the assumption that the Chinese economy will sustain this growth four years out. It may not. I know of several manufacturers who are looking elsewhere because they find that China is starting to cost too much. </p>
<p>But, besides that, the point I&#8217;m making is that the rise in prices for both gold and oil were due mostly to a devalued US dollar. There was no fundamental reason why the relative value of oil increased versus gold beginning just a few months ago. My take is that it&#8217;s a short-lived speculative bubble. </p>
<p>Also, someone on DB said that the supply of oil is flat and that running a gold mine is easy. The total amount of gold mined can fill up only four Olympic sized swimming pools whereas we haven&#8217;t even begun to drill off the Eastern seaboard of the US, let alone elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: DBsaysyoureaDB</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>DBsaysyoureaDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1060</guid>
		<description>Futures prices anticipate future demand.  If 300,000,000 living breathing Chinese buy a car in the next 4 years do you anticipate they will all be rolling on gold rims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Futures prices anticipate future demand.  If 300,000,000 living breathing Chinese buy a car in the next 4 years do you anticipate they will all be rolling on gold rims?</p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
		<link>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.popserious.com/?p=1090#comment-1059</guid>
		<description>NO! Haven't you noticed my mellow disposition, love of Judd Apatow movies and life long quest to find the perfect nacho?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO! Haven&#8217;t you noticed my mellow disposition, love of Judd Apatow movies and life long quest to find the perfect nacho?</p>
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